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Sounds like that basically covers the first step of restoring activity, if it seems like anything is lacking after the reset then we can look into taking extra steps as needed, but at the moment I don't think there is any cause for concern.

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On 5/17/2019 at 9:56 PM, MelodicRose(OD) said:

It's not really a question per say.. but more so an issue of concern. It seems that we are consistently told that we are able to go to Generals+ with problems and things of that nature.. What do we do should they not respond? I know that I am personally trying to figure out why things are being said about me that are lies (to the point where they are used against me), and when I try to reach out to those people - I'm met with a wall. 

 

Overall, my main concern is the immense amount of lack of communication. There are people within the higher ranks who have plenty to say behind closed doors but won't actually come and communicate with the people they are unhappy with - I'm still waiting for my communication from many a people. 

It's not really a question per say.. but more so an issue of concern. It seems that we are consistently told that we are able to go to Generals+ with problems and things of that nature.. What do we do should they not respond? I know that I am personally trying to figure out why things are being said about me that are lies (to the point where they are used against me), and when I try to reach out to those people - I'm met with a wall. 

 

Overall, my main concern is the immense amount of lack of communication. There are people within the higher ranks who have plenty to say behind closed doors but won't actually come and communicate with the people they are unhappy with - I'm still waiting for my communication from many a people, including those within your general ranks.

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Hey. I gave a reply to your post right after you made it. Is there something you feel was still unanswered?

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On 5/17/2019 at 10:51 PM, Terra said:

If a General doesn't respond about a problem then I would first say to try another General. I know I always make an effort to reply. If you feel a particular General is ignoring you deliberately then fill me in on the details in private and we'll figure it out. It's difficult for me to judge without knowing the particulars of a circumstance, but we have a big roster of very different types of Generals and I'm sure at least a few of us would be happy to help with any particular issues you come across.

 

Good communication goes both ways though. You've often criticized Generals for not paying attention to particular problems rather than simply filling them in, and you have often implied that there are problems you and some people have had with some Generals without being very open about what they are. It is something I've asked you to elaborate on more than once, including quite recently with a genuine interest in improving myself and making things better, but up to this point you've preferred instead to avoid addressing it.

 

Now I'm not saying this to blame you for the bad communication, there is a responsibility on both sides to be open. All I'm saying is that improving communication needs to be a mutual goal, if you want people to communicate with you then you have to be willing to communicate with them in turn. And for my part I can say that if you're willing to do that with me then I am perfectly willing to talk with you about whatever you want and look into anything you would like me to check on your behalf.

Ah, sorry @Terra, I missed it as it wasn't quoted and I didn't receive a notification from it (all I saw was the back and forth between ya'll on here.. I had to do some searching to even find my post to begin with...)

 

To clarify, I have gone to at least two other generals and there seemingly has been nothing quantified from it (especially when the issue involves promotions and reasoning.. and when other's get punished for falsities being posted on promotions and nothing happens here.. my faith is lackluster in leadership currently). I have also sent another message to said general in question and am still waiting to see if they are going to ignore me (especially when what was said was a straight up lie, it's been nearly a month since the original PM). To further clarify, this situation has been fully elaborated to the general in question, and to the other two I asked about - so lack of elaboration is not the issue here unless I need to find more creative ways to do it. 

 

Outside of an issue with a general holding some sort of grudge to the point where falsities are being said, there is also the lack of communication when problems arise in general. It's fun hearing about how unhappy people were with the social media escapade (that I was planning to work on regardless after I graduated and had time to breathe, which I had mentioned many times), but never once was actually contacted via PM or anything regarding such conversation. It wasn't until I was essentially told what I needed to do (mind you, I'm still moderately unhappy about that), that it became increasingly aware that people were pissy at me for reasons that should have been communicated to me. Much like you consistently tell me, I'm not a mind reader either.. nor is anyone in this community. Communication is lacking.

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Well when it comes to communication I won't deny that there is always room for improvement. I don't think anyone was intentionally trying to bulldoze over you with the social media ventures, and I certainly made an effort to make it clear that your input in any decision-making part of it was of prime importance, so I'm sorry to hear that you felt like you were being pushed into things a bit but I hope at the very least that you are pleased with the direction Social Media in the Clan is taking now.

Communication can be a tricky thing, I know it is the number one challenge my company often faces when it comes to designing updates and making changes to the game we're developing. It is easy for people wrapped up in the momentum of an idea or a problem to forget to mention it to those who weren't there at the time, and it is easy for those who weren't there at the time to miss something that happened. And I know I've mentioned it before, but it's also easy for people to assume that something which is obvious to them must be obvious to everyone, high ranks and low ranks alike. But the reality is that's rarely the case.

 

I try to make an effort to improve communication when I see opportunities to do so. After all, that is what led to the creation of this topic. The best thing I can recommend to you is that if you feel there is something that someone should know about, or should have known about, then simply fill them in. However you feel about the fact that they didn't know, the moment you do let them know then that particular problem of communication is fixed.

 

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As for your communication difficulties with Generals, again it is difficult to judge what is appropriate and what isn't without knowing any of the circumstances, and I don't really want to air a dramatic problem openly in this topic so dealing with it in private would be preferred. But at the very least perhaps I can provide a broad response aimed at situations overall.

 

Ideally we would prefer if all members felt comfortable talking to any General, and all Generals would help any member, that would make for a perfect world. But things don't really end up that way, sometimes there are understandable reasons for why some members aren't comfortable talking to a General, and though they are often held to a more mature expectation, there ARE legitimate reasons sometimes for why a General may not want to interact with a particular member. Generals are not employees, they are hard-working volunteers doing their best to better the Clan, and if they feel a member is disrespecting them, harassing them, or if they believe interacting with a particular member will lead to problems or re-open old wounds then they may choose not to interact with that member, preferring to let another General help them instead.

 

Once again I will reiterate that I do not know the circumstances of your conversation with the General you are frustrated with, or what their exact reasons are. I'm only saying that there are situations in which this can happen. Similarly I do not know if the other Generals you have spoken to had reasons for not acting the way you wished, or if they made mistakes. I can't tell you there won't be times where a General doesn't want to get involved, and I can't tell you that the Generals who do get involved won't occasionally make an error. What I CAN tell you about this particular situation is that I haven't had a chance to look into it myself yet, which means you also still have options you can try.

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The way it is being handled now is fine, but to have it pushed upon me and be blessed with so much negativity when I said I was during finals and didn't have a lot of time.. and was essentially forced to find the time immediately (thank god I didn't fail those finals being as I pushed off study time, and I was graduating.. but), that is the problem. These things should have been discussed as they were happening - and this is the same for problems that concern other members too rather than having it hidden in conversations that we cannot partake in or even provide defense. The way social media is being run (with a team) was what I intended on doing regardless, but being forced into it without any reasoning as to why other people were coming in to "help" from the upper positions and being thrown into it without explanation until after the fact is poor leadership and communication. That was/is my problem and I bring this up so this doesn't happen to some other poor soul in the future.

 

12 hours ago, Terra said:

I try to make an effort to improve communication when I see opportunities to do so. After all, that is what led to the creation of this topic. The best thing I can recommend to you is that if you feel there is something that someone should know about, or should have known about, then simply fill them in. However you feel about the fact that they didn't know, the moment you do let them know then that particular problem of communication is fixed.

The communication topic can go both ways - and I feel that is important to be noted, especially when it involves topics that one doesn't realize were such a big deal to everyone. I can communicate all I want, but there will still people discussed anger towards me that I will never be aware of for my actions/leadership as it will never be discussed with me and hasn't been discussed with me until I bring it up that it seems I am having a lot of pushback. That is problematic.

 

12 hours ago, Terra said:

As for your communication difficulties with Generals, again it is difficult to judge what is appropriate and what isn't without knowing any of the circumstances, and I don't really want to air a dramatic problem openly in this topic so dealing with it in private would be preferred. But at the very least perhaps I can provide a broad response aimed at situations overall.

 

Ideally we would prefer if all members felt comfortable talking to any General, and all Generals would help any member, that would make for a perfect world. But things don't really end up that way, sometimes there are understandable reasons for why some members aren't comfortable talking to a General, and though they are often held to a more mature expectation, there ARE legitimate reasons sometimes for why a General may not want to interact with a particular member. Generals are not employees, they are hard-working volunteers doing their best to better the Clan, and if they feel a member is disrespecting them, harassing them, or if they believe interacting with a particular member will lead to problems or re-open old wounds then they may choose not to interact with that member, preferring to let another General help them instead.

 

Once again I will reiterate that I do not know the circumstances of your conversation with the General you are frustrated with, or what their exact reasons are. I'm only saying that there are situations in which this can happen. Similarly I do not know if the other Generals you have spoken to had reasons for not acting the way you wished, or if they made mistakes. I can't tell you there won't be times where a General doesn't want to get involved, and I can't tell you that the Generals who do get involved won't occasionally make an error. What I CAN tell you about this particular situation is that I haven't had a chance to look into it myself yet, which means you also still have options you can try.

I will send a PM regarding this.

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3 hours ago, MelodicRose(OD) said:

The way it is being handled now is fine, but to have it pushed upon me and be blessed with so much negativity when I said I was during finals and didn't have a lot of time.. and was essentially forced to find the time immediately (thank god I didn't fail those finals being as I pushed off study time, and I was graduating.. but), that is the problem. These things should have been discussed as they were happening - and this is the same for problems that concern other members too rather than having it hidden in conversations that we cannot partake in or even provide defense. The way social media is being run (with a team) was what I intended on doing regardless, but being forced into it without any reasoning as to why other people were coming in to "help" from the upper positions and being thrown into it without explanation until after the fact is poor leadership and communication. That was/is my problem and I bring this up so this doesn't happen to some other poor soul in the future.

 

I'm not sure I understand your concern exactly. Is it a bad thing that people wanted to help? Why do you feel like you were forced into it? Did someone make you do something that you didn't want to do?

 

3 hours ago, MelodicRose(OD) said:

The communication topic can go both ways - and I feel that is important to be noted, especially when it involves topics that one doesn't realize were such a big deal to everyone. I can communicate all I want, but there will still people discussed anger towards me that I will never be aware of for my actions/leadership as it will never be discussed with me and hasn't been discussed with me until I bring it up that it seems I am having a lot of pushback. That is problematic.

 

Yeah, there is always going to be people that say things about us, good and bad. Attention comes in both positive and negative forms, the more you stand out the more people will say things about you. Those who agree with what you do will say nice things, those who disagree with you will complain about you. Just earlier this week I had Hectic accusing me of never doing anything and of constantly protecting Purplez, which means him and Ray probably talked about it at least a few times between each other. You, yourself, have told me that some people consider me unapproachable and pointless to talk with, which I can only imagine means that people have talked about how annoying it is to try and reason with me, how exhausting I am to deal with, or maybe even how I think I'm always right. Good, bad, and the horribly misunderstood, people will think what they will. If they eventually confront you about it, then maybe you can set the record straight with them. Or maybe they'll refuse to believe anything you say and stubbornly stick to what they believe is true. You get all types.

 

You can't stop people from talking about you, the only thing you can do is make the choices you feel are right, and let your actions speak for you. As long as you keep striving to act in a way that most people will respect and appreciate, then any bad things people might say about you start to become hollow and empty, and make the people who say them seem bitter and resentful. So don't worry so much about what a few people say, let the complainers complain. What matters is that you feel good about the things you do, and about the kind of person you are, and keep aiming to be the best that you can be.

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On 5/17/2019 at 2:47 PM, GhostDog(OD) said:

Mr Altros:

 

Should not a  guild be strong enough to maintain it's membership? Or are you saying you fear people might "leave the ship" if they have a choice ? I had a C sharp program I wrote that dumped my resume to several job sites when even rumor of layoffs was whispered.

 

As much of the resignation bruhaha is winding down, maybe management should concentrate on unhappiness that policing such a post (though I think the owner of a site has the right to censor anything, this is why faceBook is in such trouble, censoring opinions it disagrees with. (Also I notice only upper management has posted, I eagerly await the input and ideas of the ranks.)

 

regards

GD

I know I'm coming in late to this conversation, however I'd like to throw out this comment.  As I'm in the process of getting into my internship for the summer at an IT company they have asked me to sign a non-compete agreement and a non-disclose agreement. 

 

I feel that the decision to edit that post was justified as it is promoting a direct competition to the community and promoting another community (company in this analogy of the non-compete agreement) 

 

The community should not be used to promote another persons gaming community where as it should be used to promote our own community.  Same with putting a C sharp program that was written for one company onto job sites would probably be a clear violation of a non-disclosure agreement with a company.

 

Hope that this example is understandable to as why that post was edited to remove the content of a promoting a direct competition to the community @GhostDog(OD)

 

 

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As my Final exams are done for the semester here in Wisconsin I'll be reviewing and available in the coming weeks until I start my 80 hour work weeks in the summer working across three jobs.  40 hours IT consulting, 20 hours coaching gymnastics and 20 hours bar-tending.

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On 5/18/2019 at 6:01 PM, Ray(OD) said:

I'm surprised it took three consecutive resignations for the creation of this thread, but here goes.

 

As I was nearing the time of my resignation, I noticed the significant decrease in activity on Teamspeak and in D2. What steps will you take to restore this activity?

 

How much time does a general/commander spend gaming on average? 

 

The community area of OD isn't being taken seriously as much as it should be anymore. Other than this thread, how will you go about prioritizing the community?

 

Are there any systems or processes in OD that are currently in revision? 

 

Why are generals afk on ts for most of everyday? If someone requires the assistance of a general, who should they seek? 

 

Is OD working on any projects that will get the clan on the map? How much time and effort is being dedicated to said projects?

 

Are the leaders of OD open to challenges and opposing ideas? It appears to me that opposition is now met with feigning confusion and silence. 

 

Will there be an emphasis on transparency from now on? I've seen some generals have certainly abused their powers. Bias has also certainly seemed taken hold even among the leaders. Accountability should be applied to all, regardless of rank.

 

#wwtd

 

 

 

 

 

@Ray(OD)

 

 

1: As I was nearing the time of my resignation, I noticed the significant decrease in activity on Teamspeak and in D2. What steps will you take to restore this activity?

 

Like trends in the markets their is always fluctuation in the graphs up and down, with school releasing for summer people will have increased time to game, and with D2 the ladder reset will provide a influx of activity on the game

 

2: How much time does a general/commander spend gaming on average? 

 

That depends on the person, I myself get on average 4 to 5 hours a week to play video games when I am not working on my four jobs, doing school work, cleaning my house, or balancing time with my girlfriend...

I always have my phone on my and respond to emails and you can always email me @ snicker66@overdosed.net or PM me on the forums

 

3: The community area of OD isn't being taken seriously as much as it should be anymore. Other than this thread, how will you go about prioritizing the community?

 

Could there be a disconnect between development of the community versus activity of the community, are you referring to development of new things in the community or maintaining a level of activity in the community.

 

4: Are there any systems or processes in OD that are currently in revision? 

 

As other people have said 'yes'

 

5: Why are generals afk on ts for most of everyday? If someone requires the assistance of a general, who should they seek? 

 

I myself am not home between 7 AM and 9:30 PM Six days a week between school and work I'd like to say again that if I'm ever needed I always have my phone on my and respond to emails and you can always email me @ snicker66@overdosed.net or PM me on the forums

 

See the below image for my spring schedule...  It doesn't include my weekend IT consulting work and Friday Night\Saturday Morning Gymnastics.  But as stated above I always have my phone on my and respond to emails and you can always email me @ snicker66@overdosed.net or PM me on the forums

 

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6: Is OD working on any projects that will get the clan on the map? How much time and effort is being dedicated to said projects?

 

As other people have said 'yes'

 

Are the leaders of OD open to challenges and opposing ideas? It appears to me that opposition is now met with feigning confusion and silence. 

 

I'm always open to new ideas and discussions @Ray(OD)

 

Will there be an emphasis on transparency from now on? I've seen some generals have certainly abused their powers. Bias has also certainly seemed taken hold even among the leaders. Accountability should be applied to all, regardless of rank.

 

I like to believe that their is a delicate balance between private discussion and public discussion just like with IT I feel that having a end-users input on a project is important but at the same time their is a degree of access that should be handled. If we did a website update we would not want the web-team to have to publicly disclose the plans and HTML on the forums as that could be a security loophole along with a security hole for letting other communities have the opportunity to our unique coding for the website.

 

Hope this helps, look forward to your response - Q

On 5/17/2019 at 8:56 PM, MelodicRose(OD) said:

Overall, my main concern is the immense amount of lack of communication. There are people within the higher ranks who have plenty to say behind closed doors but won't actually come and communicate with the people they are unhappy with - I'm still waiting for my communication from many a people. 

in the spirit of this topic, would you have any prepositions for a new forum of community with the admins of the community?  I'm always available by email or a post on the forums or a message on the forums. 

 

should we get a WhatsApp going for IMing the admins on their phones?  (serious idea)

 

Just like any workplace having a good communication between the admin staff and the working staff is paramount for the success of any company and I personally do not see OD any differently than a business

 

*Good communication is what makes the global economy successful in today's economy*

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Hey guys, I have been monitoring this thread for a couple of days now and reading into what everyone is saying and one thing that really bothers me that I would to talk about is the lack of communication, especially for us who do not have a main game so to speak.

 

To give some context on how I feel the way I do, I need you to understand that in real life I am a supervisor with 62 employees currently that I directly manage on a daily basis.  I make an effort to meet and get to know each and every employee as they are hired on to ensure I create that relationship early on and to ensure that they know that I am approachable for any of there needs.  For me the burden of responsibility lays at my feet for the initial meet and greet, not theirs.  As the boss I see it is my duty to engage them first.  By doing this I have discovered talent I would have never known about if I had just walked past these folks versus being an engaging supervisor.

 

I have been in this clan for over a year now and have not had one real conversation with a commander, briefly spoken with sassy and pops on a few occasions and gamed with DBZ in 7 days to die for abit. Other than those 3 leaders I have no clue what the others do, who they are, what they are into game wise, etc etc...I feel it is vital that leadership take the time to get to know there members and not say it works both ways, because lots of folks feel intimidated speaking with leadership, no matter the platform.  My interest in this clan has been waning for awhile now and seeing recent events unfold has not helped my current stance.  I would very much love to see a culture shift in this clan for the better but it has to start at the top.

 

Another thing that bugs me is the popularity contest.  The recent clan awards to me are useless for someone like myself as no one plays the game that I main so ofc I have no chance in hell of winning.  Not a big deal for me but there are folks out there that would like to be recognized for there contributions.  I have been hosting a 7 days to die server for months and as far as i know not a single member has ever joined.  I would argue not a sole in this clan has more knowledge than myself not only in the main game that I play but other games as well. My knowledge goes beyond the game play and into the guts of the code itself.  I also develop for eqemulator.net, which is an open source everquest emulation project.

 

Another popularity contest are ranks. People who have been in the clan less time than myself and quite frankly, have contributed less are given ranks left and right.  But since i don't play d2 or poe or BDO I am overlooked.  Again, its not just about myself but I assure you, if you dig into the folks tagged as community members they are being overlooked as well.  I feel like I speak for a small minority who are probably in the same place I am and just do there own thing at this point.  

 

So yea I am a little bitter as of now.  It seems no matter what I do to try to draw interest in 7d2d it doesn't matter.  Seems everyone is still stuck on a 20 year old game and not wiling to branch out and try something fresh.  It is beginning to feel pointless to even be here as the entire point was to have people to game with and now even that is gone.

 

I don't post much here as it seems to not really matter, so I am hoping someone reads this and really looks into ways for this clan to be more involved with the community as a whole and not just focused on a couple of branches of the clan.  If the clan continues as it is and no real effort for some change is realized than I will most likely resign in the near future.  I just feel it is pointless to be in a community of gamers and never have a chance to game with them.

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25 minutes ago, Atrayas(OD) said:

Hey guys, I have been monitoring this thread for a couple of days now and reading into what everyone is saying and one thing that really bothers me that I would to talk about is the lack of communication, especially for us who do not have a main game so to speak.

 

To give some context on how I feel the way I do, I need you to understand that in real life I am a supervisor with 62 employees currently that I directly manage on a daily basis.  I make an effort to meet and get to know each and every employee as they are hired on to ensure I create that relationship early on and to ensure that they know that I am approachable for any of there needs.  For me the burden of responsibility lays at my feet for the initial meet and greet, not theirs.  As the boss I see it is my duty to engage them first.  By doing this I have discovered talent I would have never known about if I had just walked past these folks versus being an engaging supervisor.

 

I have been in this clan for over a year now and have not had one real conversation with a commander, briefly spoken with sassy and pops on a few occasions and gamed with DBZ in 7 days to die for abit. Other than those 3 leaders I have no clue what the others do, who they are, what they are into game wise, etc etc...I feel it is vital that leadership take the time to get to know there members and not say it works both ways, because lots of folks feel intimidated speaking with leadership, no matter the platform.  My interest in this clan has been waning for awhile now and seeing recent events unfold has not helped my current stance.  I would very much love to see a culture shift in this clan for the better but it has to start at the top.

 

Another thing that bugs me is the popularity contest.  The recent clan awards to me are useless for someone like myself as no one plays the game that I main so ofc I have no chance in hell of winning.  Not a big deal for me but there are folks out there that would like to be recognized for there contributions.  I have been hosting a 7 days to die server for months and as far as i know not a single member has ever joined.  I would argue not a sole in this clan has more knowledge than myself not only in the main game that I play but other games as well. My knowledge goes beyond the game play and into the guts of the code itself.  I also develop for eqemulator.net, which is an open source everquest emulation project.

 

Another popularity contest are ranks. People who have been in the clan less time than myself and quite frankly, have contributed less are given ranks left and right.  But since i don't play d2 or poe or BDO I am overlooked.  Again, its not just about myself but I assure you, if you dig into the folks tagged as community members they are being overlooked as well.  I feel like I speak for a small minority who are probably in the same place I am and just do there own thing at this point.  

 

So yea I am a little bitter as of now.  It seems no matter what I do to try to draw interest in 7d2d it doesn't matter.  Seems everyone is still stuck on a 20 year old game and not wiling to branch out and try something fresh.  It is beginning to feel pointless to even be here as the entire point was to have people to game with and now even that is gone.

 

I don't post much here as it seems to not really matter, so I am hoping someone reads this and really looks into ways for this clan to be more involved with the community as a whole and not just focused on a couple of branches of the clan.  If the clan continues as it is and no real effort for some change is realized than I will most likely resign in the near future.  I just feel it is pointless to be in a community of gamers and never have a chance to game with them.

The difference between this and your work is that we are volunteers who does this AFTER managing at work while it would be fantastic to meet every member ( ive met most on ts ) its not practical to expect us with the average of a few hours a day to spend hours talking to strangers who wont approach us to begin with. This is a gaming clan we game admin duties are something we diced to do to improve the clan.

 

 You named a few higher ranks and while you may not remember me ive played a few hours with you myself. In fact i see commanders and generals playing with new people on a daily basis maybe your time online conflicts or you just arnt paying attention but there's time even i get put on the back burner when one of our higher ranks is playing with someone new.

 

Award wise yes they are a popularity contest its for fun if you would like to win hop on Ts and socialize more often and you will have a bigger chance to win most of the people who vote are on ts as well.  We dont push people to be in community unfortunately community is a grey area and yes they may be overlooked from time to time but anyone can nominate people for these award and as for ranks no one is bound by division from putting someone up they just need to show that they meet the requirements or be active once again on TS or DISCORD or ingame with people and they generally will be promoted as well

 

For me and some you ruined 7 days with the use of the Admin controls and extra mods. We played vanilla mostly with minimal mods thats what we liked its never been a game with division potential its basically minecraft.  We played it to dodge bordom its a fun game for most until they complete a base. 7 days isnt exactly the greatest game to begin with the bugs alone make  it infuriating which is why again majority of us in divisions would never commit to it. I think its shallow thinking to say people are stuck on those games. I play many games with people from d2 and they willingly try new games so....

 

Overall if you want to game i would suggest being on Ts and find people that want to play a game with you. No one regardless of rank is going to just decide "i want to play with that attrayas guy" Effort is required thats how friendships are made and thats how you create a group of people to play with no one is obligated to play with someone but putting effort in and finding the right people will provide a good experience.

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Well, Ghost pretty much covered how it is. You sound like a great boss, Atrayas, and your employees are lucky to have a supervisor that takes such an invested interest in building a rapport with them. In a perfect world it'd be great if we could do the same with all the members of the Clan, or even most of them, but that can get pretty difficult. I just dealt with the PM's I had here on the forum and then I came here to read and reply to what you posted. Between the two of those things alone it will have taken about 2 hours out of my time, and now I have to decide how much of the remainder of my evening I need to split between the work I still need to finish and the games I want to play with the members I hang out with. And that's assuming I'm not pulled into anything else that requires my attention in the Clan in the meantime.

 

I've never had any interest in 7 days to die, and I'm sorry to hear you haven't had much luck in finding others who do. But you can't really expect people to play the games they don't like, and unfortunately if you keep to yourself and do things that other people aren't really interested in, then you're gonna fall off the radar. You won't get the same awards and promotions as the people who are continuously interacting with others in ways that make them noticed and stand out, because people won't know what you've been doing. That's not really an inherent flaw with the system so much as it's just kind of how life works.

 

But if you are interested in games like Age of Wonders, Stellaris, Space Engineers, Rocket League, Divinity Original Sin, or whatever the next good mmorpg that comes out is (whenever that will be) then we'll probably spend lots of time together.

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whatever happened to blind loyalty

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8 hours ago, Drewg(OD) said:

whatever happened to blind loyalty

The blind found the pornos they were lookin for

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On ‎5‎/‎20‎/‎2019 at 7:11 PM, Ghost(OD) said:

as for ranks no one is bound by division from putting someone up they just need to show that they meet the requirements or be active once again on TS or DISCORD or ingame with people and they generally will be promoted as well

Mr, Ghost: 

Mr Atrayas:

 

An exception It is no longer permitted to nominate from one tier to another. Ranks cannot nominate for  an officer. Officers cannot nominate a general. There is no longer any  tier changing nominations, I asked about this and was told this was changed (thanks Ms Terra for the clarification.) If you meant nominated for the same tier in a different division , that is permitted. Also note that while an officer can spend weeks or months getting a rank, it can be removed <sometimes several ranks as per Ray's example> for various reasons. (justification for these reasons is problematic, as per all human actions nothing is ever completely just.)

 

I approve of precision, truth and transparency. so a minor point. Also it is important to please certain people over others. Think of it as pleasing a high count electoral state (with tern to fifteen electoral votes as opposed to a smaller state with one or two votes.)

 

These are facts as I have observed and been told and I would be delighted to be corrected if these facts are untrue.

 

Yours in truth and logic

GD

 

(Disclaimer for Truth  : The poster was demoted without being spoken to first and may be bitter and influences judgement but not veracity)

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verqacity, grammar and truth

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On ‎5‎/‎21‎/‎2019 at 11:53 PM, Drewg(OD) said:

whatever happened to blind loyalty

Mr Drewg:

 

I think it went out of fashion around 1945. (or possibly1989).

 

Though 1984 keeps re appearing wherever you look.

 

Regards

GD

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40 minutes ago, GhostDog(OD) said:

Mr Drewg:

 

I think it went out of fashion around 1945. (or possibly1989).

 

Though 1984 keeps re appearing wherever you look.

 

Regards

GD

lol i get it

 

but as a former clan leader of one of the most prestigious dueling clans of all time, too many questions, not enough action

 

at least on the side i contribute the most too, (d2)

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2 minutes ago, Drewg(OD) said:

lol i get it

 

but as a former clan leader of one of the most prestigious dueling clans of all time, too many questions, not enough action

 

at least on the side i contribute the most too, (d2)

What questions do you feel are unanswered? Now's a good chance to get some from d2 division leaders.

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5 minutes ago, Aerineth(OD) said:

What questions do you feel are unanswered? Now's a good chance to get some from d2 division leaders.

none boss, just in here shootin it :), as enlisted its our job to improve the fun, your job to maintain US 

 

❤️❤️❤️ 

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7 hours ago, GhostDog(OD) said:

Mr, Ghost: 

Mr Atrayas:

 

An exception It is no longer permitted to nominate from one tier to another. Ranks cannot nominate for  an officer. Officers cannot nominate a general. There is no longer any  tier changing nominations, I asked about this and was told this was changed (thanks Ms Terra for the clarification.) If you meant nominated for the same tier in a different division , that is permitted. Also note that while an officer can spend weeks or months getting a rank, it can be removed <sometimes several ranks as per Ray's example> for various reasons. (justification for these reasons is problematic, as per all human actions nothing is ever completely just.)

 

I approve of precision, truth and transparency. so a minor point. Also it is important to please certain people over others. Think of it as pleasing a high count electoral state (with tern to fifteen electoral votes as opposed to a smaller state with one or two votes.)

 

These are facts as I have observed and been told and I would be delighted to be corrected if these facts are untrue.

 

Yours in truth and logic

GD

 

(Disclaimer for Truth  : The poster was demoted without being spoken to first and may be bitter and influences judgement but not veracity)

GD, (by the way GD is a term some Christians use because they are not allowed to take the lords name in vain) your point is correct for major tier changes, but not minor tier changes (to WO and SO). 

 

Another point on justice. Yes, it is in the eyes of the beholder. However, I believe we are doing our best to improve. For example, pre-2010 someone was demoted 7 ranks for picking up someone gold during a duel. On the promotion side pre-2014, there was no evaluation system for generals, a single general or commander promoted who they liked at the time behind closed doors. There was no transparency or consensus. 

 

Also, I’m not in total agreement with your comparison to “getting the large electoral college states”. As Führer Cheetoh has accomplished, you can get many lower value states (Enlisted) and still win the election. I’ve seen a member overcome -38 from Commanders, Generals, and Officers to obtain their officers rank with many enlisted and warrant officers behind them. 

 

Lastly, I was also demoted and a little butthurt. I had enough votes to remain at my 4* rank. However, after I criticized others’ evaluations, they had changed their votes in retaliation and I was demoted. I chose to work on myself and the things I could control. I outstayed the vote-changers and earn my right to run this community. That is why I have a special connection to members like you and former members like @Ray(OD). My example shows that it is possible to be demoted and then make a comeback. 

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Mr Badboi:

 

Thank you for your kind thought, I believed I was just howling in the wilderness. I will think on what you said.

 

Though of course, as some  people the words  "Never Again" and "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me." have special meaning. People have fooled me twice.

 

Actually I knew what GD was used for , you are the first to realize what I was signing. Most astute. Also G*d (to type the name of the creator is considered a false idol.) and YHWH (meaning the unknowable.)

 

Mr Ray:

 

Mr Badboi stated he felt a connection, you having a connection is irrelevant. All love is unrequited. The connection does not have to be....distinct. In any contest it is important to pick your allies carefully, realize this has consequences.

 

Yours in truth

GD (meaning in this case GhostDog not taking the supreme name in vain.)

 

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8 minutes ago, GhostDog(OD) said:

Mr Ray:

 

I would not presume to discern what Mr Badboi meant. I leave that to the speaker and those wiser than me. Interestingly, actions lately prove decisions may have been correct, I do not know as I do not have access to the closed officer forums that you still have (I did not know that someone who resigned could still have this privilege of access to information, but as was said earlier, it is an imperfect world)

 

Why is this by the way? The access, nothing else concerns me .

 

In Confusion and Chaos

GD

 

That would be incorrect. The only group that Ray is currently in here on the forums is senior Forum Members. And there is no power assigned to that role, it's just a title. None of the officers boards+ are visible to him.

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Mr Aerineth:

 

I was confused by this post.

 

I see the request by Ray was made before  posted the  resignations and got my timeline incorrect. My apologies for the error. The request was before  the resignations. Never type while on a pain pill.

 

regards 

GD

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15 hours ago, GhostDog(OD) said:

 

I was warned because I was upset by the slur used "midget"

15 hours ago, GhostDog(OD) said:

but it seems likely that the warning was just meant for me.

Incorrect. You and 2 others (1 of which was a general) were "verbally" warned for name-calling on a thread, which is BM, and has no place in a debate. I say "verbally" because no actual action has been taken yet on the forums. There is a "warnings" section on our forums, and you can review if you or another member has been "warned" in the past, on their profile page (I'm not entirely sure if only moderators/admins can see this on profile pages, so please correct me if I am wrong here).

 

15 hours ago, GhostDog(OD) said:

Amazingly the general who joined in the humor and accused me of "riling up" was not mentioned at all.

Sassy's posts in that thread were poking fun at HERSELF (she even clarified as much in a second post), and did not contribute to any name-calling, which is why I did not issue a warning to her.

 

15 hours ago, GhostDog(OD) said:

is there a list of forbidden words?

I have already answered your question of "forbidden words" on the other thread:

On 5/24/2019 at 12:48 PM, CompFreak(OD) said:

Just for clarification, there are 2 words that have been banned from use in the OD community: the "N" word, and "F" word that means bundle of sticks.

For those that wish to review the thread and my posted warning, they are located in this thread:

 

15 hours ago, GhostDog(OD) said:

By the way STILL have never heard from townKill about the disablement (which was reversed) I would be interested in the reason from the source. (I have been told several things some contradictory and would be pleased to know who is telling the truth.)

Unfortunately, @Townkill(OD) is dealing with some personal RL issues at the moment, and is currently on IA. You can ask him your questions directly in a PM or in person upon his return, but I am uncertain as to when he will be re-joining us.

15 hours ago, GhostDog(OD) said:

Is Ray being considered for readmittance and revocation of his demotions?

That is something you should ask Ray privately, as we are not at liberty to gossip on other members' issues. If he cares to answer your question, he can do so. I would suggest sending him a PM if you want a more in-depth answer on that.

 

 

8 hours ago, Ray(OD) said:

Will the promotion and evaluation systems be rearranged so that ranks are earned by performance and capability instead of being popularity contests?

This is the basis for the rules surrounding the voting system. The more rules we impose on our members when it comes to voting, the more members may feel "oppressed" by them, so we try to weigh them in a "risk v. reward" balance.

 

8 hours ago, Ray(OD) said:

If a general bans you from a platform such as Teamspeak, why can't you be allowed to view any evidence that may have led to said ban?

This is a valid request, and I will look into this further... The problem is that if we "publicly post" all teamspeak bans and their reasoning, it could be construed as a kind of "public-shaming" for one thing, and is not something that we want to do intentionally.

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4 hours ago, CompFreak(OD) said:

This is a valid request, and I will look into this further... The problem is that if we "publicly post" all teamspeak bans and their reasoning, it could be construed as a kind of "public-shaming" for one thing, and is not something that we want to do intentionally.

Why not ask the person if they CARE whether the reason is posted ? if someone wants to release their own information how is that public shaming

 

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